(Vatican Radio) On December 13, 2005 the Government of the Lebanese Republic requested
the UN to establish a tribunal of an international character to try all those who
are alleged responsible for the February 14th 2005 bombing in Beirut that
killed the former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafic Hariri and 22 others. The United Nations
and the Lebanese Republic subsequently negotiated agreements establishing first an
investigative commission and later, the Special Tribunal for Lebanon which began operations
in March 2009.
The Tribunal, the first international court to investigate
charges of terrorism, has indicted four men allegedly connected to Hezbollah, which
is currently a party to the Lebanese government. None of the suspects has been arrested.
Prosecutors have handed in their pre-trial briefing and the trial in absentia
is due to begin in the Netherlands in March 2013. Tracey McClure asked the Registrar,
or Chief Executive, for the Special Tribunal for Lebanon, Herman Von Hebel to shed
some light on how investigations have progressed into the assassination of the former
Lebanese prime minister and why the accused haven’t been extradited for trial?
Listen
to Tracey McClure's interview with Herman von Hebel:
A: The investigations
have progressed to such an extent that it has first led to the prosecutor issuing
the indictment against the four accused persons. That indictment has been confirmed
by the pre trial judge so it is clear that the judge sees that there is sufficient
basis to proceed for trial and ….now there is the pre-trial brief that was submitted
by the prosecutor on November 15th and that is basically a document that
sets out a strategy and the philosophy of the prosecutor in relation to those four
accused persons. As far as the four accused persons are concerned, since the indictment
was confirmed by the pre-trial judge, we are in regular contact with the Lebanese
authorities and in particular the Prosecutor General in Beirut and the Prosecutor
General gives us monthly reports on activities undertaken in order to search for the
accused persons. So although our rules do allow for trials without the presence of
the accused, even the start of the trial does not stop the obligation for Lebanon
to continue to search for those four accused persons. And they are continuing to do
that… but so far unfortunately… not leading to the concrete results of an arrest of
the four accused and then (their) transfer to the tribunal.
Q: The four men
who’ve been indicted are Lebanese Shia muslims associated with the Hezbollah group
– which of course is currently part of the Lebanese government. Hezbollah has condemned
the indictments – just how are relations with the Lebanese government proceeding?
A:
That’s a very interesting question. Of course the relations with the Lebanese government
over all, from our perspective, are very positive. Lebanon is obliged to pay 49% of
the tribunal’s budget and (they) have so far always done so in a timely fashion.
They have the obligation to assist us in investigative activities, in the search for
the accused persons – those activities are ongoing – of course, not leading to the
concrete results of the arrest of those people. But notwithstanding that, the cooperation
is a very positive one and there’s in general a commitment to work with the tribunal
and then it’s also part of an obligation imposed on Lebanon because of the fact that
the tribunal was established by a resolution of the (U.N.) Security Council – a binding
resolution. So whether or not certain parties are part of the government in itself
doesn’t change the legal obligations for the State as such and thereby the government,
in implementing those obligations and whether some parties may not like those obligations,
from our perspective, is immaterial. The obligation is there and we keep a constant
eye on how those obligations are being implemented.
Q: The tribunal’s credibility
has been called into question especially after four pro-Syrian suspects were detained
for four years before charges against them were dropped. What evidence arose that
brought about this turn around and did it damage the tribunal’s reputation?
A:
We have to make a distinction between the period prior to the first of March 2009
when the tribunal was established and the period before. In the period before, you
had an investigations commission and that was established by the Security Council
but the task of that commission was to assist the Lebanese authorities in the investigations.
So the decision as to the arrest of those four accused persons at the time was a responsibility
of the Lebanese authorities. Then when the tribunal got established on March 1, 2009,
that was the moment when the case against those four was officially transferred to
the tribunal and it was at the request of the Prosecutor at that time to seek, with
the judges, to release the persons because at that moment, there was not sufficient
material to justify the continued detention and deprivation of liberty of those accused.
So I rather see that as a strength of our system: that our legal system ensures that
without sufficient factual basis, there is no possibility of depriving… people of
their liberty. Of course, since then investigations have gone on and we have now seen
of course that four different people have been indicted but there again I see it as
a strength of our legal system: that issues like arrest, deprivation of liberty, etc
are based on judicial determinations about the strength of a case that a prosecutor
brings to us.
Q: You are responsible also for the tribunal’s witness protection
program – according to its pre-trial brief, the prosecution expects to call 557 witnesses
– are you sufficiently worried about the safety of any of these witnesses to place
them in such a program?
A: Let me first in general say that for any proceedings,
whether on a national or an international basis, the participation of witnesses of
course is crucial in order to present a case and to convince judges of the strength
of a particular case. So witness protection, witness support, is a crucial element
of our operations. From what I understand also in further discussions between the
prosecutor and the present pre-trial judge, it is intended that probably about over
a hundred people will actually have to appear before the trial chamber in due course
when the trial will get started. So there will be more witnesses, but not necessarily
all of those witnesses have to actually appear before the trial chamber. Out of those
hundred +, we are confident that we have a unit here with high professionals involved
that are able to assess for each and every of those witnesses the potential risks
involved and the kind of measures that may be necessary in order to protect them.
In general principle of course, in proceedings, you always like that witnesses can
testify in public so that everyone can see how witnesses do testify. But if there
are justifications, and those are for judges to decide, then it may be that witnesses
may testify either under a pseudonym or with face or voice distortion or completely
in closed session, etc. That depends on the risk assessment and the people that we
have here within that section have a lot of experience in other tribunals as well
and so I am confident that we are able to give the level of protection that witnesses
may require.
Q: And presumably those levels of protection are also available
to witnesses in Lebanon?
A: Yes, we have systems in place in Lebanon and outside
of Lebanon in order to ensure that witnesses are safe prior to, during and after testimony.
And obviously for security reason can’t go into details but the overall packet is
such that we can guarantee such safeguards for all witnesses that may be called to
appear before the tribunal.
Q: You have been involved with a number of international
tribunals – Is it true that this is the first such tribunal to investigate cases of
terrorism?
A: Yes, that is correct. I have been involved in the Yugoslav
Tribunal for over five years, the special court for Sierra Leone for three years and
now the Lebanon Tribunal for over three years. This is the first international tribunal
that deals really with terrorism cases. All other international tribunals deal with
crimes as genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. In that respect, this
tribunal is different from those other tribunals. It also means that investigations
are often of a different nature; the procedures will be of a slightly different nature,
and the investigations simply are often of a highly complex nature and hence also
why the prosecution’s office and before that the investigations commission, have to
spend a substantial period of time of course on trying to dig out all of the relevant
information and make a case that is presentable to judges.
Q: We have talked
about the other international tribunals such as the one for the former Yugoslavia
and others. How do you see the development of international justice with tribunals
such as these?
A: I think that we have seen in the first tribunal was, the
Yugoslav tribunal was established in 1993 so nearly twenty years ago – and you can
see that the life of those tribunals have really a huge impact on international law
and has a huge impact on how we see issues of justice on an international level.
Whereas probably up to the late 80’s, impunity for perpetrators of crimes was more
the rule than the exception, with the establishment of the Yugoslav Tribunal, later
on the Rwanda tribunal, the permanent International Criminal Court, the chambers in
Cambodia, the special court for Sierra Leone and also the Lebanon Tribunal, you actually
see that there has been a huge push for the fight against impunity and now it’s criminal
accountability that is the norm and impunity that is the exception. I think that
is an incredibly important development in less than twenty years. And I think it has
greatly impacted international relations and development in many countries.
Q:
Yet many of these tribunals have come under repeated criticism and often very heavy
criticisms regarding their jurisdiction, their rulings, their practices. What international
recognition do these tribunals actually really enjoy?
A: That is a very interesting
thing. In that respect I must say, if we compare the international tribunals with
national jurisdictions then… justice is always an issue that keeps people incredibly
engaged and busy and also national cases, prominent national cases can often lead
to very strong reactions from the public. It shows that the public is very much interested
in justice. From that perspective, I also see the public at large, the number of non-governmental
organizations that are interested in the work of those tribunals is absolutely tremendous.
And in that respect, in my view I see it as a very strong positive development that
notwithstanding the criticism, and we are still talking about very new sort of institutions
and there is much to learn and to further develop, but that it has already put a very
positive spin to issues of international justice and to accountability. I have for
example, in Sierra Leone, been involved in many activities of reaching out to the
local population about the work of the Special Court and when I for example went into
small villages and showed videos of Charles Taylor, the former President of Liberia,
sitting in the court room and seeing that he is given a fair trial, that has a huge
impact on the people on the ground. And there’s always a very positive reaction.
That is a form of justice that we want to see on a national level as well so you actually
see that international justice also becomes an example of what should happen on national
levels. And I see there’s a sort of strengthening between national justice and international
justice and there again, obviously, there is criticism possible, the system is still
in development, but overall, I see that as a very concrete development to international
justice and international relations.