Pope Francis Interview: “Believers and non-believers, we’re all brothers and sisters”
(Vatican Radio) An interview showing Pope Francis answering questions from a group
of Belgian young people has been broadcast on the nation’s public Flemish TV station,
VRT. The young people, who were accompanied by Bishop Lucas Van Looy of Ghent, put
their questions to the Pope in English and he replied in Italian. Their meeting was
filmed on March 31st inside the Apostolic Palace in the Vatican.
Link to the
original interview: http://www.een.be/programmas/koppen/habemus-papam
The
group of Belgian young people included a non-believer who said she was inspired by
the words of Pope Francis. When they began by asking the Pope why he accepted this
interview, he replied that he considered it highly valuable to speak about the worries
of the young. The Pope was then asked : “Are you happy? And why?”
“Absolutely,
absolutely (laughing) I’m happy! And it’s a tranquil happiness because at this age
one no longer has the same happiness of a young person, there’s a difference. There’s
a certain interior peace, a strong sense of peace, of happiness, that comes with age.
But it’s a road that has always had problems. Even now there are problems but this
happiness doesn’t go away because of the problems. No, it sees the problems, suffers
because of them and then goes forward, it does something to resolve them and goes
ahead. But in the depth of my heart there is this peace and happiness. It’s truly
a grace from God, for me. It’s a grace and it’s not through my own merit.”
The
young people next asked the pope what was the reason for his great love for the poor.
“Because it’s the heart of the Gospel,” he replied.
“For me, the heart of
the Gospel is about the poor. Two months ago, I heard a person who said (on hearing
this): ‘But this Pope is a communist!’ But no! This is the banner of the Gospel,
not of communism: of the Gospel! But it’s poverty without ideology…. And it’s for
this reason that I believe that the poor are at the centre of Jesus’ message. All
you have to do is read it. The problem is that this attitude towards the poor has
sometimes during history been made the subject of ideology.”
The girl among
the group who is a non-believer asked Pope Francis what message he has for all young
people:
“We’re all brothers and sisters. Believers, non-believers or whether
belonging to this or that religious confession, Jews, Moslems… we’re all brothers
and sisters! Human beings are at the centre of history and this for me is really
important: humans are at the centre (of society). In this moment of history, humans
have been pushed away from the centre, they have slid towards the margins and at the
centre --- at least right now --- there’s power, money and we must work on behalf
of human beings, for men and women who are the image of God.”
Today, the
Pope went on, “we’ve become part of a throw-away culture”: Children are discarded,
people don’t want children, or less of them, small families: Old people are also discarded:
many elderly people die because of a hidden euthanasia, because nobody takes care
of them and they die. And now young people are being discarded.” The Pope noted
that the unemployment rate among people below the age of 25 is almost 50 percent but
said his meetings with some young Argentine politicians gave him hope and trust.
“And
I’m pleased because these young politicians, be they of the left or of the right,
they’re speaking a new language, with a new music, a new political style. And this
gives me reason to hope. And I believe that nowadays young people must take the lamp
and go ahead. They must be courageous! This gives me hope.”
Asked about
the search for God, the Pope replied:
“When a person searches for his or
herself, they find God. Maybe, they don’t succeed in finding him but they are going
along the path of honesty, searching for the truth, for a road of goodness and a road
of beauty… they’re on the right road and it’s certain they’ll find God! Sooner or
later, they will find him. But the road is a long one and some people don’t find him
in their lives. They don’t find him consciously. But they are very true and honest
with themselves, very good and lovers of beauty, so that in the end they have a very
mature personality, capable of an encounter with God, which is always a grace. Because
an encounter with God is a grace.”
A young man asked the Pope what he learnt
from his own mistakes. The Pope replied describing mistakes as “great teachers of
life”:
"They’re great teachers, they teach you so much. They also humiliate
you because somebody may feel a superman, a superwomen … but then you make a mistake
and this humiliates you and puts you in your place. I would not say that I have learnt
from all my mistakes: No, I believe I haven’t learnt from some of them because I’m
stubborn (laughing) and it’s not easy to learn. But I have learnt from many mistakes
and that’s been good for me. It’s also a case of recognizing our mistakes. I make
a mistake here, I made a mistake there…. And also being careful not to go back and
make the same mistake."
A young women asked him: “Do you have a concrete
example of how you learnt from a mistake?”
“One example, in the conducting
of the Church’s life: I was named Superior (of the Jesuits in Argentina) when very
young and I made so many mistakes because of my authoritarianism, for example. I
was too authoritarian: at the age of 36… and then, I learnt that one must dialogue,
one must listen to how others think…. But I didn’t learn this for ever after! It’s
a long road.”
The next question for the Pope is straight to the point:
“What frightens you?”
“Well, of myself (laughing) Fear…. But look in the
Gospel, ‘Jesus repeats it so often: “Don’t be afraid! Don’t be afraid!’ And he says
it many times, doesn’t he? And why’s that? Because he knows that fear is a rather
‘normal’ feeling. We’re afraid of life, we’re afraid when faced with challenges,
we’re afraid in front of God. We’re all afraid, all of us. You mustn’t worry about
being afraid. You must feel that but not be afraid and then ask yourselves: ‘Why
am I afraid?’ And in front of God and in front of yourselves, try to shed light on
the situation or ask help from another person. But fear is not a good advisor because
it gives you bad advice.”
The pope then goes on to explain that there is
“bad fear and good fear.” Good fear is like caution: It helps us not to fall down.
And then there is bad fear: This blocks you and doesn’t let you do anything. And
you must reject it.
The final question from the young people to the Pope was
an unusual one: “Do you have a question for us?”
“The question that I want
to ask you is not an original one. I’m taking it from the Gospel. Where is your
treasure? That’s my question. Where do you keep your treasure? On what treasure
does your heart rest? Because your life will be where your treasure is kept…. This
is the question that I’m asking you but you’ll need to reply to it yourselves, on
your own (laughing) at home.”