The Brisith Government’s coordinator for the recent papal visit to the United Kingdom,
Lord Christopher Patten was in Rome this weekend for a conference on the future of
European society. He talked to Philippa Hitchen about the success of the Pope's visit,
about reactions from the Catholic Church in Britain and about the serious debate he
hopes it will continue to generate....
Listen....
“I think
the reasons are principally threefold…firstly the Pope himself….this was a hugely
demanding programme which he managed with great élan in a language with which – it’s
no criticism – he’s not comfortable, so to have done it all as wonderfully well as
he did is a great tribute to him personally. Secondly it was a stick in the eye
for metropolitan cynicism…what made the trip a success from the very beginning was
the turnout of the crowds, Catholic and non-Catholic alike….. Thirdly, not just
the messenger and the people to whom the message was delivered, but the message itself…..thoughtful,
quite challenging but I can’t remember a recent visit by any world figure which has
left behind so much debate about serious issues.”
What do hope might be the
longer term impact of the visit? “I’d like to see members of faith groups recognising
the wisdom of what the Chief Rabbi said – one of the characteristics of the visit
was the very fine speeches which it elicited from others, particularly the Chief Rabbi
and the Archbishop of Canterbury...he noted that one of the things that put people
off faith was the difficulties faith groups have had over the years in working together
and not fighting each other, so first of all I hope faith groups will recognise what
they have in common.. Secondly I hope that it will make people who belong to faith
groups more self confident about saying so….and end the ways in which alleged political
correctness has led to the siege of people who belong to faith groups….I also hope
it will encourage secularists to be serious rather than abusive… and I hope that they
will recognise there’s a serious debate to be had.”
What about reactions from
within the Catholic community itself? There are those within the Catholic Church in
Britain who are keen to engage in serious debate yet feel their voices aren’t being
heard? “Yes indeed…..there are people who feel very passionately about issues like
gender, the role of women in the Church…a Church which would not exist had it not
been for the way women behaved on Good Friday, when all the men ran away…there are
people who are very worried about attitudes to gays in the church, I’ve always assumed
that there are a lot of devout gays in the Catholic Church and that God must love
them particularly strongly because of the extent of the discrimination they’ve felt
over the years, not least, in the past, from parts of the Catholic Church itself…”
You’re here at this Rome (Pontignano) conference discussing the future of
European society….what else can the Churches do to become more effective players on
the European stage? “Many of the founding fathers were very strong intellectual
Catholics…and a lot of the foundations of the EU you can trace back to Catholic Social
Teaching over the last 100 or so years…so I think that Catholicism has played a large
part in the way that the EU has been created….and I hope it will play an important
part in the next few years in ensuring the EU isn’t inward looking and continues to
offer a model which combines prosperity with social solidarity and political stability.”